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jobs in this environment. i'll make one more point -- >> no, no. you mentioned the taxes thing for a moment. mr. president. >> well, we've had this discussion before. >> about the idea that in order to reduce the deficit there has to be revenue in addition to cuts. >> there has to be revenue in addition to cuts. now, governor romney has ruled out revenue. >> absolutely. >> so -- >> look, the revenue i get is by more people working, getting higher pay, paying more taxes. that's how we get growth and how we balance the budget. >> right. >> but the idea of taxing people more, putting more people out of work, you'll never get there. you never balance the budget by raising taxes. spain -- spain spends 42% of their total economy on government. >> okay. >> we're now spending 42% of our economy on government. i don't want to go down the path to spain. i want to go down the path of growth to puts americans to work with more money coming in because they're working. >> but mr. president, you're saying in order to get it -- the job done it's got to be balanced. >> if we're serious, we've g
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